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Poster: user unknown Date: Feb 17, 2015 8:41pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Dan Healy and Bob Weir...WTF?

Been listening to some Healy recordings, "Steal Your Face" and others, and just don't understand why "the boys" kept him around as long as they did. He obviously had issues with "Rockstar Bobby" and they led him to really mess up some otherwise decent recordings. Was he "the connection", or did he know something that could have brought the band down? His so called "genius" definitely wasn't worth the damage he caused.

Cliff, light into ashes, anyone?

I found an old post the talked about Healy "leaving", but it didn't address his longevity. No doubt he was knowledgeable, but he was too prone to play with the sound to the detriment of many; especially Bob.

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Sorry for the bump. I was notified of a new response and accidentally bumped this old thread.

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Feb 18, 2015 10:27am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Dan Healy and Bob Weir...WTF?

What I heard was the band was embarrassed that Healy turned the sound down on Sting when he opened in 93. That and the sbd for coke thing. Imo even though their sound quality live was noticably not as good after his ass should have been fired for the disrespect he showed Weir. Im sure it came from knowing Bob as a kid he seemed to get a ton of shit but I still can't get over Healy thinking he should be in the band over Weir. That certainly seemed like his attitude to me. Well Dan you were obviously more dispensable to the band than Bob. On a positive note he was ( and probably still is ) a damn good sound emgineer.

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Poster: Jack o' Roses Date: Apr 18, 2011 8:50pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Dan Healy and Bob Weir...WTF?

The story that I heard through the very short grapevine was that Healy wanted 'zactly-perfect stereo imaging at the soundboard, which meant that you one had to be on-axis to get the sweet line. People on Jer's or Phil's side got not enough of the other.

PLUS he kept Bobby turned down in the house mix (the occasional pre-in-the-ear 'Harry mixes' that I recall sounded enjoyable IF they had enough Jerry-funny how I don't recall Popick mixes on here IA..."were they really there at all?").
These were likely just ugly rumors (via Carol & Sadonna-you know who you are) from their friends at GDP & the Celtics... but that's what I heard.


Anybody disagree?
Peace & Love,


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Poster: Headstrung Date: Apr 18, 2011 9:45pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Dan Healy and Bob Weir...WTF?

I heard the same stories from some friends who were tapers in the eighties. They often left the show with a board and told me that blow for a patch was the going trade. I also heard that Healy was specifically told to stop this practice and in response in Chapel Hill, North Carolina in 1993 deliberately laid out multiple free patch lines across the OTS as a kind of FU to the band. He was fired not long after.

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Poster: Earl B. Powell Date: Feb 18, 2015 11:45am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Dan Healy and Bob Weir...WTF?

Blair Jackson covers this nicely in his gear book, without getting into the personal schisms of Healy or the band. What becomes clear through everyone's recollections is that as time dragged on, an increasing sense of self interest and self indulgence was present almost universally. The difference between family and corporation also becomes clearer and a sharper line is drawn to distinguish the two as time goes on.

My view is that Healy always claimed status as an entitlement for his technical work, yet in most interviews or conversations, doesn't get the love of the band like Parrish or Ramrod. Not that there wasn't enough internal criticism to go around.

Another factor might be that after the Wall of Sound, Healy took what he learned into his own corporate vision, and began supplying "trapeze" PA's to the industry, not just keeping it within the structure of the Grateful Dead.

I also heard that the issue with the '93 Raleigh show that caused an uproar was that many of the patches were going to DAT and the band wasn't exactly thrilled to learn the stuff was being increasingly traded in digital. "The digital scare."

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Poster: Zaorish Date: Apr 18, 2011 7:59pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Dan Healy and Bob Weir...WTF?

I just wanna HOP IN, user unknown, and say you are RIGHT, before anyone tries to throw up some wall of text to protect healy. Starting in the 80s, with many obvious moments in 84 and 85, he would make loud, obvious, and abrupt sound effects changes while Bobby was singing.

I would like to know the reason too.

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Poster: Gasfoodandlodging Date: Feb 1, 2015 7:41am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Dan Healy and Bob Weir...WTF?

Check out Cincinatti River Bend 6-24-1985 for some exquisite Healy work.

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Poster: Headphone Date: Apr 18, 2011 9:06pm
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I remember around that time him saying something like, "The band and I have an agreement: I don't tell them how to play music, and they don't tell me how to do the sound." It seems like he kept pushing up the quality of the house sound, and also the band's monitor sound.

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Poster: RBNW....new and improved! Date: Apr 18, 2011 7:51pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Dan Healy and Bob Weir...WTF?

Without him and his addictions there would be far, far less SDBs around....so thx to him for that....and dont forget his job was not to make recordings sound good, his job was to make it sound good live....and for the most part I think he accomplished that.

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Poster: user unknown Date: Feb 17, 2015 8:37pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Dan Healy and Bob Weir...WTF?

Is there documentation that he traded SBD feeds for blow? I've seen the accusation discussed before, but some seem to discount it as legend.

As a sound engineer, his job may have been to "make "it" sound good live", but wouldn't that include Bob. Echo, heavy reverb and pitch shifting might work on the instruments, but I gotta believe he intentionally used those on Bobby's vocal mike. Most bands would fire the sound man immediately for that kind of BS. The general consensus is that "the band", except Bob and Phil wanted to keep Dan around. I find that quite confusing.

BTW, I was a mule/gopher/"sound man" for a group of friends in high school. Got demoted to a 2 job grunt for allowing feedback on the vocal mike at a YMCA dance.

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Poster: leftwinger57 Date: Apr 20, 2011 8:10am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Dan Healy and Bob Weir...WTF?

About this Dan Healy being the enemy mixer. Most of you guys are right ,that is job was on stage as it happened and was to feather the mix to suit the band and of course the specific venue. What I did hear was that he favored the DEAD as the lead act and boost the mix and pa accordingly. This came to a head when Sting complained to Healy who blew him off and up the ladder it went and when Lesh heard about this, he was fired for cause. That's the story I was told...LW

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Poster: user unknown Date: Apr 20, 2011 2:11pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Dan Healy and Bob Weir...WTF?

So it was OK for him to mess with Bobby, but messin' with Sting got him fired. It still doesn't make sense to me.

Hell, did he work for the band, or did they work for him. It seems, for a while, the latter was true and he was trying to get rid of Mr. Weir.

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Poster: telepicker97 Date: Feb 17, 2015 4:43pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Dan Healy and Bob Weir...WTF?

The way I've heard it told, the band literally worked for the crew.

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Jan 30, 2013 12:42pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Dan Healy and Bob Weir...WTF?

Well, if you had to listen to Bobby learn to play slide night after night....

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Poster: Daddy D Date: Feb 18, 2015 9:38am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Dan Healy and Bob Weir...WTF?

LOL

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Poster: craven714 Date: Feb 18, 2015 12:10pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Dan Healy and Bob Weir...WTF?

hearty chuckle on that one bd. not so much lol, but hc.
good one...
E~ even if it was from 1/30/2013

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Poster: CharlieMiller Date: Apr 19, 2011 6:05am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Dan Healy and Bob Weir...WTF?

I can confirm that Healy gave out a few patches to someone who gave him blow.

12/1/79
5/19/77
8/4/76
9/25/76

are some examples...

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Poster: user unknown Date: Apr 19, 2011 9:59am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Dan Healy and Bob Weir...WTF?

sounds like personal experience;)

Ok, so he was "patchin'" for nose candy

why did the band put up with Healy's BS?

and why did Phil and Bobby's opinions seem not to matter?

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Poster: william delyon Date: Jan 30, 2013 12:20pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Dan Healy and Bob Weir...WTF?

the band never listened to tape and thier monitors dont pickup the PA mix to which dan would effect bobs vocals. apparently bob was made aware by his camp and had been apealling to phil and jerry for years. the incident at RFK where he embarrassed the band by not giving Sting full power was the catalyst for them to finally quit blowing bob off and listen to tape.

the reason bob had never gotten traction before that was said to be because of healys tenure and status with jerry and phil. he wasnt just an employee he had been the soundman since 66 when he was working for Quicksilver and phils bass rig failed and he repaired it allowing their set to happen.

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Poster: telepicker97 Date: Feb 17, 2015 4:57pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Dan Healy and Bob Weir...WTF?

So, what you're saying is...Healy traded patches for blow as far back as the mid-70s...so we can safely assume that had nothing to with why he was fired??

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Poster: RBNW....new and improved! Date: Apr 18, 2011 8:54pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Dan Healy and Bob Weir...WTF?

Other than knowing a couple of friends that always had the SDBs immediately after shows in the hotel room, but no, I know of no documention.....

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Poster: user unknown Date: Feb 17, 2015 8:36pm
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sounds kinda like "documentation" to me


especially if your friends just happened to leave a small package on the soundboard just before the show

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Poster: RBNW....new and improved! Date: Apr 18, 2011 9:33pm
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You got it....

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Apr 19, 2011 8:35am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Dan Healy and Bob Weir...WTF?

I have been going through various '80's shows, '83-'88, and it is amazing the number of shows with unbelievably bad sound.
You can grab a Bear '66 and the sound blows away so many '80's shows. For all his eccentricities we all owe a huge debt to Bear.

As far as Healy, I don't know. He certainly did take liberties, but it sounds like many people did. I remember a photo of Weir pumping gas on an eighteen wheeler in '74 and thinking, why is he doing that?

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Poster: RBNW....new and improved! Date: Apr 20, 2011 7:08am
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if you are listening to sdbs you have to remember that the mix was set for the sound for the venue NOT THE RECORDING!!!

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Poster: telepicker97 Date: Feb 17, 2015 4:44pm
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In '66/'67 Bear was mixing at places like the Carousel and the Avalon, maybe Fillmore West was the biggest...

A far cry from the 15-25k capacity summer sheds the band was filling regularly by the 80s...

Healy mixed accordingly. He gets a bad rap...but the band's FOH sound suffered mightily after he left.

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Poster: telepicker97 Date: Feb 17, 2015 4:34pm
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If Healy/Betty/Bob/Bear/Kidd/et al had actually engineered the 'SYF' tapes, they would sound much better than they actually do...

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Poster: William Tell Date: Feb 18, 2015 4:13am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Dan Healy and Bob Weir...and Tell?

Oh; I thought you meant "Dan Healy and William Tell"...

https://archive.org/post/275813/very-serious-question

Actually, I just realized he "edited" it, so you can't see it as easily...ahem.

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Poster: SomeDarkHollow Date: Feb 18, 2015 5:48am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Dan Healy and Bob Weir...and Tell?

Sorry, the world does not revolve around you. Although, given the perceived size of your head you do generate a rather impressive gravitational pull that does tend to entrap smaller objects.

The first one to associate that with anything off-color will earn my eternal thanks.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Feb 18, 2015 5:55am
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Hmmm, does this explain the apparent "attraction" of skies for my posts?

There, how's that for a set up?

Again?

;)

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Poster: SomeDarkHollow Date: Feb 18, 2015 5:56am
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The last person who was attracted to your post was found naked and confused wandering around the streets of Juarez babbling something about "I told him over and over I dont like The Cream"

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Feb 18, 2015 9:01am
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At Easter time in the rain?

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Poster: SomeDarkHollow Date: Feb 18, 2015 9:13am
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Sounds like a Bobby Vinton tune.

"Naked and Confused In a Mexican Easter Rain"

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Feb 18, 2015 10:37am
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Mr. Dylan appreciates that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1b2RUpzW6IM

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Poster: SomeDarkHollow Date: Feb 18, 2015 10:42am
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How'd you know Tom is the name of WT's proctologist?

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Poster: William Tell Date: Feb 18, 2015 12:11pm
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You think I'd PAY some one to do that?

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Poster: SomeDarkHollow Date: Feb 18, 2015 12:27pm
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I sure hope you're not waiting for someone to pay YOU.

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Feb 18, 2015 10:27am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Dan Healy and Bob Weir...WTF?

What I heard was the band was embarrassed that Healy turned the sound down on Sting when he opened in 93. That and the sbd for coke thing. Imo even though their sound quality live was noticably not as good after his ass should have been fired for the disrespect he showed Weir. Im sure it came from knowing Bob as a kid he seemed to get a ton of shit but I still can't get over Healy thinking he should be in the band over Weir. That certainly seemed like his attitude to me. Well Dan you were obviously more dispensable to the band than Bob. On a positive note he was ( and probably still is ) a damn good sound emgineer.